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Post by San Francisco (Andrew) on Sept 22, 2015 3:43:35 GMT
Since I couldn't find it on the proboards, what are the categories that gonna be contested on basketball and baseball?
Are there only 12 roster spots on basketball? So when a player is injured and moved to IR, we can sign a new player but when the injured player is back we must cut one of our player? I think it will be better if we make 15 roster spots, but only 12 on ESPN/Fantrax/Yahoo (so we have that 3 extra spot and doesn't have to cut player every now and then) In my opinion draft should be 15 rounds instead of 12 for basketball.
As for baseball can we move a player to the minor if they are not a prospect anymore?
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Post by Michael (Boston) on Sept 22, 2015 21:38:34 GMT
NBA active (dressed) roster size = 12 players * 30 teams = 360 active players.
15 rounds * 24 teams = 360 players.
What will free agency look like then?
Not Sure about this but you probably have more experience than I do.
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 22, 2015 21:43:21 GMT
Since I couldn't find it on the proboards, what are the categories that gonna be contested on basketball and baseball? Are there only 12 roster spots on basketball? So when a player is injured and moved to IR, we can sign a new player but when the injured player is back we must cut one of our player? I think it will be better if we make 15 roster spots, but only 12 on ESPN/Fantrax/Yahoo (so we have that 3 extra spot and doesn't have to cut player every now and then) In my opinion draft should be 15 rounds instead of 12 for basketball. As for baseball can we move a player to the minor if they are not a prospect anymore? Categories will probably be fg% ft% points assists rebounds steals blocks Obp hrs rbi runs sbs era whip wins saves holds Also keep in mind the 4 dleague spots, but i would look at 13 or 14. I'd like to keep nba startup at 12 rounds so we can get started as quickly as possible and leave some room for in season free agency. Yes I will be implementing 40 man roster and minor league option years as well. Sorry will be adding more rules tonight/tomorrow that will hopefully cover all this and more. Just have the most basic ones up so far. Thanks for the questions and suggestions i look for as many as possible to make this league active and successful
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Post by Michael (Boston) on Sept 22, 2015 21:45:03 GMT
No K's?
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 22, 2015 22:24:18 GMT
whoops need to add those and slug lol
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Post by San Francisco (Andrew) on Sept 23, 2015 0:40:21 GMT
@michael : First season draft should be the decider haha, 12 rounds of startup draft plus 1 or 2 slot of additional roster here on proboards but not on ESPN/etc should be just fine too as Craig has suggested. It just doesn't feel right for me if we have to cut every player we sign whenever one of our injured core player is back. The dead cap would be burdensome, and if we do nothing to replace the injured player our opposing team will easily win the weekly matchup. (in 12 players league, 1 injured player hurts badly IMO)
@craig : no 3pts and to for basketball then? I love 9-cat for basketball, but 8 would be fine too. Just need to value player a bit different. D-league players is only for rookies and sophomores right, and I think good players like KAT, Mudiay, etc would go straight to the main roster. As for baseball I suggest we have each 2 non countable categories, AVG OPS HR R RBI SB ERA WHIP K W SV HD. But I'll go with whatever you think is the best for this league.
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 23, 2015 0:50:24 GMT
I'm thinking adding 3PTs and Turnovers to what I listed before as well.
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Sept 24, 2015 8:37:36 GMT
Hi as will soon start drafting have a few questions. Sorry if its long but could not find responses and think its important to keep in mind when you are drafting guys. Perhaps we can add to rules (and sorry if I missed them!)
Just my view- it is burdensome to put in rules but then we avoid disputes/misunderstandings later if we have them upfront.
So here's the list: a) Small request- can I change my name to Brooklyn (ie Nets name + Mets are playing in Brooklyn) :-) b) What platform are we using (Yahoo, fantrax, ESPN)? c) NBA contracts- will we have "real" RFA's or use QO as the last one and the the player become a UFA's. eg- Nurkic (Denver) 1. 2015, 2016 (TO), 2017 (TO) and then 2018 RFA OR 2. 2015, 2016 (TO), 2017 (TO), 2018 (Qualifying Offer which some leagues flip to salary), 2019 UFA d) if we have real RFA's- obviously when the contract is up you can match and he's yours. If you don't what compensation do you get. An idea- no compensation is its below say 5M, 2nd round pick for 5-10M, first round pick over 10M. Just to see the level of protection you get if someone is after "your" guy. e) can we extend UFA's at say 125% or 150% of highest salary and for how long? In most leagues this is possible for say 1 player per year. Again will be important if and how- ie why waste a pick on a stud if he cannot be extended in a year. f) when do we draft rookies joining the league now but drafted in prior years. Vet draft or rookie draft. Eg- Neto (PG), Utah. g) when do we draft internationals w/o contracts (still playing abroad) during the draft (vet or "normal"). Two examples- Milutinov (SAS 2015 1st round pick) or Tomas Satoransky (drafted few years back but playing in Spain still). Or can we bid on them during as FA? h) assume we cannot draft guys that do not have contracts or have not been drafted yet (say internationals abroad)? i) does the cap increase only (each season) or it can also drop if you say win one year and then don't make it to the playoffs next year? j) draft order- assume snake and we reverse for rookie draft- ie whoever gets #24 in the vet draft get #1 rookie? Think that's fair? k) assume will be able to trade picks as well? for how long 2-3 years? l) cross-sport trades. will they be allowed. becomes a lot of fun but also hard to compare. not sure myself seen both ways of doing it. m) should we put a cap on how much one can bid on a player for a one-year deal (say someone a la CP3 in FA). Had a league (cap was USD 80M) where some teams every year would bid up to USD 40M on a few stars. Then trade them for picks to contendors. A bit artificial I think, really never understood that one.
Sorry for the long mail and happy to help out if needed not just ask :-)
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Sept 24, 2015 8:51:39 GMT
A few more cam to my mind:
a) D-League- assume once the player gets called up/sent down his salary still counts? b) Contract restructures- will they be allowed? Say A. Davis has a very lumpy contract. Can a manager shift a small amount (say 2-3M per year) say 1 player per year? Lillard/Jonas are other similar extremes
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 24, 2015 22:52:38 GMT
Hi as will soon start drafting have a few questions. Sorry if its long but could not find responses and think its important to keep in mind when you are drafting guys. Perhaps we can add to rules (and sorry if I missed them!) Just my view- it is burdensome to put in rules but then we avoid disputes/misunderstandings later if we have them upfront. So here's the list: a) Small request- can I change my name to Brooklyn (ie Nets name + Mets are playing in Brooklyn) :-) b) What platform are we using (Yahoo, fantrax, ESPN)? c) NBA contracts- will we have "real" RFA's or use QO as the last one and the the player become a UFA's. eg- Nurkic (Denver) 1. 2015, 2016 (TO), 2017 (TO) and then 2018 RFA OR 2. 2015, 2016 (TO), 2017 (TO), 2018 (Qualifying Offer which some leagues flip to salary), 2019 UFA d) if we have real RFA's- obviously when the contract is up you can match and he's yours. If you don't what compensation do you get. An idea- no compensation is its below say 5M, 2nd round pick for 5-10M, first round pick over 10M. Just to see the level of protection you get if someone is after "your" guy. e) can we extend UFA's at say 125% or 150% of highest salary and for how long? In most leagues this is possible for say 1 player per year. Again will be important if and how- ie why waste a pick on a stud if he cannot be extended in a year. f) when do we draft rookies joining the league now but drafted in prior years. Vet draft or rookie draft. Eg- Neto (PG), Utah. g) when do we draft internationals w/o contracts (still playing abroad) during the draft (vet or "normal"). Two examples- Milutinov (SAS 2015 1st round pick) or Tomas Satoransky (drafted few years back but playing in Spain still). Or can we bid on them during as FA? h) assume we cannot draft guys that do not have contracts or have not been drafted yet (say internationals abroad)? i) does the cap increase only (each season) or it can also drop if you say win one year and then don't make it to the playoffs next year? j) draft order- assume snake and we reverse for rookie draft- ie whoever gets #24 in the vet draft get #1 rookie? Think that's fair? k) assume will be able to trade picks as well? for how long 2-3 years? l) cross-sport trades. will they be allowed. becomes a lot of fun but also hard to compare. not sure myself seen both ways of doing it. m) should we put a cap on how much one can bid on a player for a one-year deal (say someone a la CP3 in FA). Had a league (cap was USD 80M) where some teams every year would bid up to USD 40M on a few stars. Then trade them for picks to contendors. A bit artificial I think, really never understood that one. Sorry for the long mail and happy to help out if needed not just ask :-) a) sure you can be Brooklyn! b) We will be using Fantrax c) I will get back to you on this, doing some research of what will work best. Might leave it up to a league vote too. d) see above haha e) I will do an extension rule write-up either tonight or tomorrow night and ask for people's input from there. f) In the veteran draft g) during free agency h) yes i) I was thinking mainly cap increase for performing teams but would be willing to listen to ideas for decreases (decreases can be hard to judge and penalizing teams can make turnover more dyifficult) j) yes k) Picks can be traded for 2 years (current and next season) l) yes cross sport trades will be allowed m) I'm open to idea on this one maybe 40% of total cap space (about 34 mil) A few more cam to my mind: a) D-League- assume once the player gets called up/sent down his salary still counts? b) Contract restructures- will they be allowed? Say A. Davis has a very lumpy contract. Can a manager shift a small amount (say 2-3M per year) say 1 player per year? Lillard/Jonas are other similar extremes a) so like a paid dleague after called up and sent back down? b) Yes I be posting something about restructures. I hope this helps sorry for somewhat short answer I will be posting more in depth rules regarding some of this later tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Sept 25, 2015 10:33:55 GMT
thanks! know its a lot but points c-d (do we have RFA or you flip an RFA to UFA by adding another year @ qualifying bid offer tag) is key to how appealing a guy like Giannis is for example.
personally had experience with both types- hard RFA + de-facto no RFA's and think both have +/-. My suggestion in case there is no RFA- we might want to limit extensions (say no more than 3 years), extend at say 125-150% of max salary and set a min. (ie say min extension is USD 5M). Just to avoid huge disrepancy between those on rookie and vet salaries.
on D-League, think it is a good idea to limit NBA experience (basically you can stash players), but we should have a limit on expensive these guys are (ie so I don't bid like crazy on 5 "projects" hoping for one hit which is called up and others dropped at no price). Say I should not be able to have on D-League Neto, Boatright, Tavares, Jokic and Capela each at say USD 10M per year.
Also think we should allow managers to call up players from D-League freely but once they are called up- they count against the cap for good (again to avoid abuse- ie having a bunch of expensive guys that count 1 day and do not count day after, say game-by-game basis). That would also eliminate the issue above (overbidding on young guys) as people would think twice how much these guys are "worth" if they hit their cap as soon as they are called up for good.
Another option (which I like) is to count D-League guys from Day 1 against the cap and then you decide. Have 7-8 studs or a very deep bench. Also eliminates hassle for you with call up's/down's :-)
On (m) one solution I like is to limit the max contract for a 1-year deal to say USD 10-15M full stop. If you want to go over offer at least a 3-year deal. 40% of cap space is on the high side in my view (ie over 30M).
Just a few thoughts from my experience and no questions asked :-)
And thanks for Brooklyn!
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 28, 2015 3:16:22 GMT
thanks! know its a lot but points c-d (do we have RFA or you flip an RFA to UFA by adding another year @ qualifying bid offer tag) is key to how appealing a guy like Giannis is for example. personally had experience with both types- hard RFA + de-facto no RFA's and think both have +/-. My suggestion in case there is no RFA- we might want to limit extensions (say no more than 3 years), extend at say 125-150% of max salary and set a min. (ie say min extension is USD 5M). Just to avoid huge disrepancy between those on rookie and vet salaries. on D-League, think it is a good idea to limit NBA experience (basically you can stash players), but we should have a limit on expensive these guys are (ie so I don't bid like crazy on 5 "projects" hoping for one hit which is called up and others dropped at no price). Say I should not be able to have on D-League Neto, Boatright, Tavares, Jokic and Capela each at say USD 10M per year. Also think we should allow managers to call up players from D-League freely but once they are called up- they count against the cap for good (again to avoid abuse- ie having a bunch of expensive guys that count 1 day and do not count day after, say game-by-game basis). That would also eliminate the issue above (overbidding on young guys) as people would think twice how much these guys are "worth" if they hit their cap as soon as they are called up for good. Another option (which I like) is to count D-League guys from Day 1 against the cap and then you decide. Have 7-8 studs or a very deep bench. Also eliminates hassle for you with call up's/down's :-) On (m) one solution I like is to limit the max contract for a 1-year deal to say USD 10-15M full stop. If you want to go over offer at least a 3-year deal. 40% of cap space is on the high side in my view (ie over 30M). Just a few thoughts from my experience and no questions asked :-) And thanks for Brooklyn! I think some type of RFA would work, sorry work got crazy this weekend so I wasn't able to post extension rules, expect this tomorrow. Maybe limit the salary for D-League players to 2.5 mil or less alongside 2 years or less experience? I agree with their contract counting after they have been called up. The one problem i see with max contracts is people building the max on a star player and other teams cannot outbid them, anyone else see an issue with this?
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Sept 28, 2015 9:12:27 GMT
Think RFA is better. The option of flipping RFA to UFA via QO's can work but is a bit artificial (you don't see it unless you have a dispute team-player). If we have proper RFA's then the only point to cover is making sure there is decent compensation if you loose the guy.
For D-League my suggestion would be either say max 2-3M per player or just a mini-cap (say all 5 cannot exceed USD 10M at any point). But I would opt for the first option.
Also think that it's OK to even have "active" 13-14 man rosters (ie you have 10 vets + say 3-4 young guys you call up/down. Makes your roster deeper but you need to pay for it (ie hits your cap).
For UFA- think the rule should be just for 1-year deals. So you can only bid to a max for a 1-year deal. If someone wants to spent 40M on say Durant- great but would say over x amount your bids should be min 3 years.
Cheers!
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Sept 28, 2015 17:20:29 GMT
Think RFA is better. The option of flipping RFA to UFA via QO's can work but is a bit artificial (you don't see it unless you have a dispute team-player). If we have proper RFA's then the only point to cover is making sure there is decent compensation if you loose the guy. For D-League my suggestion would be either say max 2-3M per player or just a mini-cap (say all 5 cannot exceed USD 10M at any point). But I would opt for the first option. Also think that it's OK to even have "active" 13-14 man rosters (ie you have 10 vets + say 3-4 young guys you call up/down. Makes your roster deeper but you need to pay for it (ie hits your cap). For UFA- think the rule should be just for 1-year deals. So you can only bid to a max for a 1-year deal. If someone wants to spent 40M on say Durant- great but would say over x amount your bids should be min 3 years. Cheers! What about 1st round pick compensation for a top 60 player and 2nd round pick for top 150 player during RFA? 8 Mil max salary in dleague at any time. No dleaguer may have a salary greater than 2.5 mil. 13 man active roster I think, this allows for the 10 starters and 3 bench plus 4 dleague spots, allows flexibility for injuries. This last suggestion is confusing could you reword that statement? say if the max is 30 mil you can only bid max salary on a player for a 1 year deal?
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Oct 3, 2015 9:36:08 GMT
Craig- think before the vet draft starts we should decide: 1. How many UFA's can be extended and under what conditions (say 125% of highest salary for 3-4 years), 1 per year max? 2. RFA- see we have it right? We will not count QO's but have "real" RFA's and you can match the best offer or get compensation picks?
Asking as that highly influences the value of a number of players that are say 1-2 years pre-UFA (say LeBron or Durant).
For rookies its all the same, but let's agree pls on this bf the vet draft begins so we are all on the same page.
Thanks a lot,
Alex
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Oct 4, 2015 13:14:27 GMT
Craig- saw the post on RFA's. Sounds good!
What about UFA extensions- think for me at least that's the last missing piece (ie can I extend a player before he becomes UFA and at what tag). A lot of them do not have a lot left so it makes a big difference (say how attractive Durant or Westbrook are).
Thanks a lot!
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Post by Chicago (Craig-Admin) on Oct 5, 2015 2:09:20 GMT
Craig- saw the post on RFA's. Sounds good! What about UFA extensions- think for me at least that's the last missing piece (ie can I extend a player before he becomes UFA and at what tag). A lot of them do not have a lot left so it makes a big difference (say how attractive Durant or Westbrook are). Thanks a lot! Extensions will only once their current contract is up and based on their ranking for that season (i'm thinking of adding a clause to that saying that have to have played like 50 games that season or it will backtrack to the last season they did for ranking) I will add more probably tuesday and I work odd hours tomorrow
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Post by Brooklyn (Alex) on Oct 5, 2015 21:48:04 GMT
that would be great! sounds good- so we at least know how it works (like RFA's). Like the idea with fantrax ratings.
pls post also max years a player can be extended and how many extensions per team we can do (assume 1 per year per team so we have a decent free agent pool as well)?
thanks, alex
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